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Quite possibly early.....but a damaged old brochure I have was still current in 1982, which would be when i got it from R Agius, and lists them as being current models...not that I ever saw any in the UK until the mass importing from italy really kicked in in the late 90s. Having said that, a mate of mine bought out all Isleworth Scooters stock when they closed down in late 87/early 88 and in the spares was one brand new non-indicator panel, which would make you think maybe a few were sold here new.

Also...Spanish P2's have a wierd tank, its a normal P range tank but has the much smaller cap and hole from a smallframe....

SBWNik wrote:. I'd be interested in the unbadged Millenium too, thats a new one on me.

Me too. Also, don't forget the entirely pathetic PX125 40th Anniversary special edition. Basically a bog stock PX125EFL in silver paint with extra stickers ...

Add the Mk1.5s to the list. They had mk1 headsets and gloveboxes but lockable panels and 18mm spindles like the MK2

And the American Market Ps. Totally different electrics. Three way ignition switch, transposed handlebar switches, toggle engine kill switch. CEV rear light on a stalk, indicators and horn from the battery. Unique cylinder head, neutral indicator in the speedo like the very first batch of UK Ps except on these they worked! Unique petrol tap.

Also the Taiwanese PGOs and Brazilian Ps which had the square headsets like the Danmotors but contimued in production through mk1 and EFL styles.

P2 Stu wrote:Add the Mk1.5s to the list. They had mk1 headsets and gloveboxes but lockable panels and 18mm spindles like the MK2

There is that to it. Dont forget these bikes were early PXE models. All had electronic ignition and were badged PX125E,PX150E,PX200E, but with the early type badging, not the EFL type. Looked like all other Mk1's but had panel clips under the seat.
TBH the spindle thing may not have happened at the same time, they would possibly have still used up old stocks of early type parts, it is probably possible to find either a 'Mk1.5' with 16mm spindle,or possibly a mk1 with 20mm.

Then there's the 'efl gearbox' change.....except most claim that it changed at the same time as Piaggio went over to the EFL models. It didnt... 1985 and 85 PX EFL have the early gearbox, changeover was roughly early '86, and there were no identifications at the time as to which bikes had the early or late box, completely possible to have 2 indentical new PXs in a shop with different gearboxes.

The mk1.5 I have is still badged P200E, Non autolube.

But you are right they are a real crossover model, I've seen some with toggle switches, some with blocks, like you say possibly the factory using up old stocks until supplies of the newer spindles or switches became available.

SBWNik wrote:
Thats two that I didn't know existed this morning already, I may regret doing this!


Cheers.

Too much for just an article Nik...when do you think the book will be coming out?

Its as much for my own curiosity as an article TBH, that possibility is there I suppose, but I've long had an interest in the history of what is the longest continuously produced 'traditional' scooter (You could argue the Honda Cub at a push there....) and its dozens of variations. If it doesn't become an article then VCB is welcome to the research once I've done with it, hopefully it'll be complete but somehow I doubt it at this rate!

If it does go down that route then my next question is going to be about colour schemes.......


Well aware of the Mk1.5/crossover and Guy has it nailed I think: There are two different spindles and to confuse matters I've also been told of a third spindle size (18mm?) recently (anyone know of it or is it urban myth? I've enough to chase already LOL) and they don't directly relate to the PX/EFL differences, and neither do the gearboxes. Somewhere in the depths of my memory I'm sure I've seen a non autolube EFL frame too..... A factory Bitza maybe, old rear end laced to a new steering setup? I wish I had a photo of it now.



I'm quietly starting to regret this thread

Guy160 wrote:Couple of webfinds Nik....note the Rally style gearchange on the handlebar as no indicator switch fitted. Got a few old brochures somewhere in the loft too.

6v lighting, system is nothing like normal P, completely different loom. Fitting 12v electronic stator is not an easy plug & play job

i do like an early p bus ,something about them

How about the early Spanish P2's with rally headsets - buzzsolomoto has had a few, and then theres the 200's that look like T5's - TX's in Spain and GS's in Germany + other country's.

Oh what fun!!

SBWNik wrote:Dan Motors are definately on my wants list, TBH one of the inspirations for this whole idea. Any photos you can get that illustrate differences between each other and the Piaggio equivelent would be more than welcome, thanks.

Nik

Here you are mate these are the first lot of a Dan motors Indonesian built Vespa. This is a Strada, which is the MK II version of the P150S which is basically the same unit but without the indicators. When the Dan motors factory was given the conscession to built Vespas under license in 79 they took up where the last of the italian imported models left off. The last genuine italian unit was the 150 Super and it sold in its thousands so a lot of the inspiration (headset shape etc) was a result of the indonesians putting their slant on the 150 super design. They where also given a lot of the 150 Super tooling (Europe was already importing the early P range at this time) to produce things like hubs and forks etc by the italians. This units ran a strange 2 port version of the PX engine, the PS had points but the engine in this strada would have been the first electronic engine used here by Vespas. As you can see the result is a very early PX body with the running gear and power plant of the 150 Super. These are still quite visible here in RI and sold in huge numbers. These are pictures i took at the local Vespa garage here in Bali.

After the Strada came the exclusive and the excel models i will get these snapped for you next.

here are a few more for you, stop me when your eyes start to bleed.

As you can see there are strange oddities like the early horncasing and rear lamp, the panel toggels sepperate steering and ignition keys and the slide type indicator switches. I actually wrote an article for scootering magazine covering this subject about a hundred years ago so that will have more info should you need it.

Anything else you wanna know just PM me.

Cheers.

MartinB wrote: and then theres the 200's that look like T5's - TX's in Spain and GS's in Germany + other country's.

Carlsberg don't do Vespa's but if they did...................

Can you all slow down a bit please......

Nik, I'm pretty sure I've said this to you before but just to be safe and it wasn't my imagination........





Nik, you're a sad f**king wanker, at least attempt to find a life.